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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bent Twig-

I&#039;m confused...when did training and networking become wasted time for Human Resource Professionals?  SHRM puts on conferences that cost thousands of dollars and take up days of time, and I get more from the exchanges on these sites.  As Ed says, most or us will put in the work necessary to get our work done.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m confused&#8230;when did training and networking become wasted time for Human Resource Professionals?  SHRM puts on conferences that cost thousands of dollars and take up days of time, and I get more from the exchanges on these sites.  As Ed says, most or us will put in the work necessary to get our work done.</p>
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		<title>By: ED</title>
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		<dc:creator>ED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bent Twig - 

Some of us can still get the job done while sharing in thoughts and experiences that can help each other grow as HR professionals.  

Most of us will put in the work necessary to get all of our work done.</description>
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<p>Some of us can still get the job done while sharing in thoughts and experiences that can help each other grow as HR professionals.  </p>
<p>Most of us will put in the work necessary to get all of our work done.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent Twig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent Twig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems all of us have waste in our time being everyone is constantly submitting comments and not working on things they should be. No one has even looked at what the company policy was or procedure to be taken so how can you answer to the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems all of us have waste in our time being everyone is constantly submitting comments and not working on things they should be. No one has even looked at what the company policy was or procedure to be taken so how can you answer to the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Top 10 HR Blunders of 2008 &#124; HRBlunders.com &#124; The worst mistakes, catastrophes, and near-misses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top 10 HR Blunders of 2008 &#124; HRBlunders.com &#124; The worst mistakes, catastrophes, and near-misses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You make the call: Whistleblower or backstabber? Marcy Curlee thought two co-workers were wasting too much time, so she documented their work [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To maria roy:

I agree that the supervisor should address the situation.  I ask you then, given what we know, how could the supervisor PROVE that he/she addressed the situation?  Beyond a note in the supervisor&#039;s daily journal that Curlee had a complaint about two co-workers wasting time, what else would the supervisor do?  This is a fire department and their documentation is used in courts for arson cases, to justify replacement equipment, used to justify manpower and utilization records, given to emergency reponse teams and hospitals for emergency planning and evacuation.  So where on the priority list is Curlee&#039;s complaint?

And if this supervisor spent more that three minutes on this employee&#039;s complaint, then he/she is wasting taxpayers money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To maria roy:</p>
<p>I agree that the supervisor should address the situation.  I ask you then, given what we know, how could the supervisor PROVE that he/she addressed the situation?  Beyond a note in the supervisor&#8217;s daily journal that Curlee had a complaint about two co-workers wasting time, what else would the supervisor do?  This is a fire department and their documentation is used in courts for arson cases, to justify replacement equipment, used to justify manpower and utilization records, given to emergency reponse teams and hospitals for emergency planning and evacuation.  So where on the priority list is Curlee&#8217;s complaint?</p>
<p>And if this supervisor spent more that three minutes on this employee&#8217;s complaint, then he/she is wasting taxpayers money.</p>
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		<title>By: maria roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>maria roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The longer this goes on the more far-reaching it becomes. As I said in the beginning - we do not have enough information to really make the call, but given what we have I disagree with Mike.  The supervisor should address the situation regardless of whether Curlee was right or wrong in critisizing her co-workers.  He/she had no business dumping this back at Curlee and the company had no business taking action with Curlee as a result.  Period.  As a supervisor/manager, I don&#039;t look to my employees to address the inadequacies of others - even if it is their perception only.  I would have looked into the situation on my own, determined if there was cause for concern or action - with either party - and moved on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The longer this goes on the more far-reaching it becomes. As I said in the beginning &#8211; we do not have enough information to really make the call, but given what we have I disagree with Mike.  The supervisor should address the situation regardless of whether Curlee was right or wrong in critisizing her co-workers.  He/she had no business dumping this back at Curlee and the company had no business taking action with Curlee as a result.  Period.  As a supervisor/manager, I don&#8217;t look to my employees to address the inadequacies of others &#8211; even if it is their perception only.  I would have looked into the situation on my own, determined if there was cause for concern or action &#8211; with either party &#8211; and moved on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jonathan:

My response starts out by hinging on one assumption- that Curlee did indeed THINK that the supervisor gave her the authority to do the log and the supervisor had not.

So many times employees HEAR WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.  Supervisors are not mind readers.  For those who are so willing to criticize the supervisor, how many workers have you supervised &quot;hear thinsg differently than you say them?&quot; If you say never, then you obviously don&#039;t supervise anyone or are delussional.  It is most prevalent when the worker is new.  

The employee has a responsibility to do the right thing.  If the supervisor would have said, &quot;You are right, go kill Muffy and Buffy!&quot; Curlee would have been expected to say, &quot;Wait! That is wrong!&quot; and not comply.  So at what level is Curlee responsible for keeping this log which is morally questionable, using derrogatory names, failing to secure this log so it would not be found, and failing to follow up with the supervisor?

Supervisors give directions every day.  This is a fire house where they have to be clear and direct and workers are trained to respond to get clarity.  There is a problem here, but it is with Curlee.  She has a problem with two co-workers, but doesn&#039;t try to work it out.  If she has an idea on how to be more efficient or effective with time, one would think she would have shared that with her co-workers.  There is no evidence that she tried to get along with co-workers.  She tries to get the supervisor to get involved by complaining about them wasting time.  The supervisor refuses to be pulled into this drama.   He may have said something like &quot;They are both good workers and I haven&#039;t seen them wasting any time.  If you have any ideas on how they could do better, why don&#039;t you write them down for me.&quot;  This was taken by Curlee as &quot;keep a log.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jonathan:</p>
<p>My response starts out by hinging on one assumption- that Curlee did indeed THINK that the supervisor gave her the authority to do the log and the supervisor had not.</p>
<p>So many times employees HEAR WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.  Supervisors are not mind readers.  For those who are so willing to criticize the supervisor, how many workers have you supervised &#8220;hear thinsg differently than you say them?&#8221; If you say never, then you obviously don&#8217;t supervise anyone or are delussional.  It is most prevalent when the worker is new.  </p>
<p>The employee has a responsibility to do the right thing.  If the supervisor would have said, &#8220;You are right, go kill Muffy and Buffy!&#8221; Curlee would have been expected to say, &#8220;Wait! That is wrong!&#8221; and not comply.  So at what level is Curlee responsible for keeping this log which is morally questionable, using derrogatory names, failing to secure this log so it would not be found, and failing to follow up with the supervisor?</p>
<p>Supervisors give directions every day.  This is a fire house where they have to be clear and direct and workers are trained to respond to get clarity.  There is a problem here, but it is with Curlee.  She has a problem with two co-workers, but doesn&#8217;t try to work it out.  If she has an idea on how to be more efficient or effective with time, one would think she would have shared that with her co-workers.  There is no evidence that she tried to get along with co-workers.  She tries to get the supervisor to get involved by complaining about them wasting time.  The supervisor refuses to be pulled into this drama.   He may have said something like &#8220;They are both good workers and I haven&#8217;t seen them wasting any time.  If you have any ideas on how they could do better, why don&#8217;t you write them down for me.&#8221;  This was taken by Curlee as &#8220;keep a log.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My response starts out by hinging on one assumption--that the supervisors did indeed give Mary the authority to do the log. If that isn&#039;t the case, then my response would have to be a little different: 

If it is indeed the case that a little information is a dangerous thing, then it can also be said that a little authority is also a dangerous thing. If Mary was given a certain authority, then she may have perceived that the supervisors &quot;had her back&quot; on this, and felt that a little arrogance (ie., name-calling) might not be that big of an issue. There is never an appropriate time for this kind of name-calling, but the logic may have played itself out a little better in her own mind then it did in reality. 

The problem starts with the supervisors not taking Mary&#039;s initial report of the issue and then taking over control of the situation from there. If control of the situation changed hands then, there would not have even been the opportunity for such liberties like name-calling. Mary made her mistake, but the supervisors should not have set her up for any such opportunity as this. 

I wonder what would have happened if the co-workers would not have found the report. Would the supervisors have considered the log as &quot;gospel,&quot; and used as part of documentation or support information in a disciplinary action with them? That wouldn&#039;t have been good, either. Any way it plays out, the supervisors had the responsibility to conduct their own complete investigation of the situation. 

If Mary did not receive the authority from the supervisor for completing the log, then that plays against her, as well. The responsibility and fault would have been completely hers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response starts out by hinging on one assumption&#8211;that the supervisors did indeed give Mary the authority to do the log. If that isn&#8217;t the case, then my response would have to be a little different: </p>
<p>If it is indeed the case that a little information is a dangerous thing, then it can also be said that a little authority is also a dangerous thing. If Mary was given a certain authority, then she may have perceived that the supervisors &#8220;had her back&#8221; on this, and felt that a little arrogance (ie., name-calling) might not be that big of an issue. There is never an appropriate time for this kind of name-calling, but the logic may have played itself out a little better in her own mind then it did in reality. </p>
<p>The problem starts with the supervisors not taking Mary&#8217;s initial report of the issue and then taking over control of the situation from there. If control of the situation changed hands then, there would not have even been the opportunity for such liberties like name-calling. Mary made her mistake, but the supervisors should not have set her up for any such opportunity as this. </p>
<p>I wonder what would have happened if the co-workers would not have found the report. Would the supervisors have considered the log as &#8220;gospel,&#8221; and used as part of documentation or support information in a disciplinary action with them? That wouldn&#8217;t have been good, either. Any way it plays out, the supervisors had the responsibility to conduct their own complete investigation of the situation. </p>
<p>If Mary did not receive the authority from the supervisor for completing the log, then that plays against her, as well. The responsibility and fault would have been completely hers.</p>
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		<title>By: Shayla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that Curlee should have been fired, that was an extreme measure and unless there are some other reasons why she lost her job, then yes she should win the suit.  I do think however, that I would have required an apology from Curlee for her referencing her fellow co-workers as Muffy and Buffy because it is very demeaning and insulting.  And if her co-workers felt that way, then Curlee should apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that Curlee should have been fired, that was an extreme measure and unless there are some other reasons why she lost her job, then yes she should win the suit.  I do think however, that I would have required an apology from Curlee for her referencing her fellow co-workers as Muffy and Buffy because it is very demeaning and insulting.  And if her co-workers felt that way, then Curlee should apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We dealt with a similar situation once long before the whistelblower law went into effect.  We had an employee who was always accusing co-workers of various violations.  He kept a log and was known to go through their waste baskets at the end of the day looking for evidence of wrongdoing.  We disciplined him for keeping book on his fellow employees because of the negative impact it had on the work environment.  The union grieved it but it didn&#039;t go anywhere and eventually died a dusty death.  However, after we disciplined the employee we sat down with each of the co-workers against whom accusations were made to investigate any wrongdoing on their part.  While we found nothing to discipline them for, they were certainly put on notice and it probably improved their own work patterns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We dealt with a similar situation once long before the whistelblower law went into effect.  We had an employee who was always accusing co-workers of various violations.  He kept a log and was known to go through their waste baskets at the end of the day looking for evidence of wrongdoing.  We disciplined him for keeping book on his fellow employees because of the negative impact it had on the work environment.  The union grieved it but it didn&#8217;t go anywhere and eventually died a dusty death.  However, after we disciplined the employee we sat down with each of the co-workers against whom accusations were made to investigate any wrongdoing on their part.  While we found nothing to discipline them for, they were certainly put on notice and it probably improved their own work patterns.</p>
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