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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What’s hard to believe is that we cater to a small percentage of the population and if we don&#039;t it is considered insensitive. Do you really think that their company losses business because someone says Merry Christmas? And if so with a high percentage of the population that are Christians don&#039;t you think they would bring in more customers solely on respect of not wasting time with PC and getting on with business. This is such a small thing to cry over. If this employee did in fact have other issues then this was a bad point to fire her on. If she was heading down that road I&#039;m sure there would have been many chances, rather than stabbing at her religious beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s hard to believe is that we cater to a small percentage of the population and if we don&#8217;t it is considered insensitive. Do you really think that their company losses business because someone says Merry Christmas? And if so with a high percentage of the population that are Christians don&#8217;t you think they would bring in more customers solely on respect of not wasting time with PC and getting on with business. This is such a small thing to cry over. If this employee did in fact have other issues then this was a bad point to fire her on. If she was heading down that road I&#8217;m sure there would have been many chances, rather than stabbing at her religious beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t think her Merry Christmas greeting offends anyone, she has the right to say it anywhere she wants, including at work, HOWEVER, not after the employer told her not to with a legitimate business reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think her Merry Christmas greeting offends anyone, she has the right to say it anywhere she wants, including at work, HOWEVER, not after the employer told her not to with a legitimate business reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Lajgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lajgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a discussion about greetings and whether &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; or &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; is the more &quot;correct&quot; greeting!  It is a discussion about whether or not the employee had a legal right to disobey her employer&#039;s directive.  Tonia Thomas&#039; employer asked her to say something within reason.  She made a personal decision to ignore the employer&#039;s request and to follow her own personal script.  She was wrong; the workplace is not an appropriate place for this kind of activism.  It&#039;s a business.  She is not required to work there; she can work anywhere (including a church that believes the same as she does).  She chose to work there and that means she chose to follow her employer&#039;s direction on workplace rules and etiquette as long as those are legal and reasonable. I would have fired her without a second thought and my decision has nothing to do with religion.  My receptionist will use the greeting I provide or I will find a new receptionist.  That is a &quot;first day&quot; discussion for me.

There is no law against &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; or &quot;Merry Christmas&quot;.  Laws like that would be stupid.  It&#039;s a greeting wishing another person well.  If you are offended by either statement, you must want to be offended and that is something you will have to fix for yourself--can&#039;t be fixed by society.

Most impotantly, anyone in the HR field who thinks a place of business is the perfect opportunity and place for an individual to take a public stand against perceived injustices in today&#039;s society is not serving the company that pays him/her and I would strongly reccommend another line of work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a discussion about greetings and whether &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; or &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221; is the more &#8220;correct&#8221; greeting!  It is a discussion about whether or not the employee had a legal right to disobey her employer&#8217;s directive.  Tonia Thomas&#8217; employer asked her to say something within reason.  She made a personal decision to ignore the employer&#8217;s request and to follow her own personal script.  She was wrong; the workplace is not an appropriate place for this kind of activism.  It&#8217;s a business.  She is not required to work there; she can work anywhere (including a church that believes the same as she does).  She chose to work there and that means she chose to follow her employer&#8217;s direction on workplace rules and etiquette as long as those are legal and reasonable. I would have fired her without a second thought and my decision has nothing to do with religion.  My receptionist will use the greeting I provide or I will find a new receptionist.  That is a &#8220;first day&#8221; discussion for me.</p>
<p>There is no law against &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221; or &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221;.  Laws like that would be stupid.  It&#8217;s a greeting wishing another person well.  If you are offended by either statement, you must want to be offended and that is something you will have to fix for yourself&#8211;can&#8217;t be fixed by society.</p>
<p>Most impotantly, anyone in the HR field who thinks a place of business is the perfect opportunity and place for an individual to take a public stand against perceived injustices in today&#8217;s society is not serving the company that pays him/her and I would strongly reccommend another line of work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shyann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shyann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Ginni, weather your Jewish or not, you missed the message Rich was stating.  Jewish (among many others) people if any should know from either parents or grandparents (if not their own experience) that they were forced to do things that they didn&#039;t believe in and even try to make them ashamed of who they were.  Did this make them any less of a person?  Absolutely not!!  If anything this made them stronger.

As far as correcting errors in these messages, you are far more petty then some would prefer.  Your reading their words and not the message that people are trying to get across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Ginni, weather your Jewish or not, you missed the message Rich was stating.  Jewish (among many others) people if any should know from either parents or grandparents (if not their own experience) that they were forced to do things that they didn&#8217;t believe in and even try to make them ashamed of who they were.  Did this make them any less of a person?  Absolutely not!!  If anything this made them stronger.</p>
<p>As far as correcting errors in these messages, you are far more petty then some would prefer.  Your reading their words and not the message that people are trying to get across.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion that Christians are having their rights stripped away because an employer is requiring someone in the service industry to say &quot;Happy Holidays&quot;. And make no mistake - that&#039;s what some of you are saying. This woman chose to purposely defy her employer. That is insubordination. 

A lifelong Christian myself, I have come to the conclusion that my faith must be much stronger than other Christians&#039;. I don&#039;t need to have the Ten Commandments displayed in front of my courthouse. I don&#039;t get agitated when the guy at Subway doesn&#039;t say &#039;Merry Christmas&#039;. I don&#039;t even care if my daughter is one day forced to omit &quot;under God&quot; from the pledge of allegiance. That&#039;s because I don&#039;t depend on courts, businesses or schools to define my relationship with God. I depend on my church and the Bible. I wonder when many so called Christians will realize we are still playing the role of the Pharisees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that Christians are having their rights stripped away because an employer is requiring someone in the service industry to say &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221;. And make no mistake &#8211; that&#8217;s what some of you are saying. This woman chose to purposely defy her employer. That is insubordination. </p>
<p>A lifelong Christian myself, I have come to the conclusion that my faith must be much stronger than other Christians&#8217;. I don&#8217;t need to have the Ten Commandments displayed in front of my courthouse. I don&#8217;t get agitated when the guy at Subway doesn&#8217;t say &#8216;Merry Christmas&#8217;. I don&#8217;t even care if my daughter is one day forced to omit &#8220;under God&#8221; from the pledge of allegiance. That&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t depend on courts, businesses or schools to define my relationship with God. I depend on my church and the Bible. I wonder when many so called Christians will realize we are still playing the role of the Pharisees.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point doesn&#039;t Happy Holidays describe the season as opposed to the specific 25 December.  People start saying Happy Holidays around Thanksgiving and I believe it is in the spirit of encompassing all the holidays because that is a little early to say Merry Christmas.  Also when dealing with guests (hotel industry), I start with Happy Holidays and they may come back with Merry Christmas and we then move on and I can use that at the end of the conversation.

And let&#039;s not forget another holiday celebrated with a day off near Christmas.  New Years Day.

Saying Happy Holidays and Seasons Greeatings to me is all inclusive and leaves no one out.  Even the athiests since New Years is not tied to a religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point doesn&#8217;t Happy Holidays describe the season as opposed to the specific 25 December.  People start saying Happy Holidays around Thanksgiving and I believe it is in the spirit of encompassing all the holidays because that is a little early to say Merry Christmas.  Also when dealing with guests (hotel industry), I start with Happy Holidays and they may come back with Merry Christmas and we then move on and I can use that at the end of the conversation.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget another holiday celebrated with a day off near Christmas.  New Years Day.</p>
<p>Saying Happy Holidays and Seasons Greeatings to me is all inclusive and leaves no one out.  Even the athiests since New Years is not tied to a religion.</p>
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		<title>By: HollywoodHR</title>
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		<dc:creator>HollywoodHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Rich!  

Unless I missed it (which I doubt), there is no Constitutional right to never be offended.  Furthermore, &quot;taking&quot; offense is, by definition, a choice - &quot;God fearing Christians&quot; on this discussion board appear to have chosen to be offended by the use of &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; in favor of &quot;Merry Christmas,&quot; rather than choosing to hear the wish for happiness during the holiday season that is being offered. I&#039;m not seeing the claimed &quot;Christian bashing&quot; on here as much as a lack of tolerance and mutual respect - regrettably, often from those claiming to be followers of Christ.  I&#039;m sure Jesus would be pleased. 

As to the topic at hand, it has long been my understanding that when an individual accepts paid employment, part of that &quot;employment contract&quot; is that the employee will do what the employer asks in exchange for wages, provided that the employer&#039;s requests are not illegal, immoral, dangerous or reprehensible.  For example, if a ditch-digger is directed by his employer to dig using the handle of the shovel instead of the proper end, so be it! So long has he is doing what the employer asked, he is earning his pay.  In this instance, Ms. Thomas flat-out refused to do what the employer asked - a breach of her agreement to do what the employer asked in exchange for pay.  The consequences of breaching that contract was the termination of the employment contract by the employer.  She failed to hold up her end of the bargain.  

Finally, Ms. Thomas&#039; claim that, &quot;as a Christian she doesn’t recognize other holidays&quot; is disingenuous at best and a ridiculous lie at worst -- while I obviously can&#039;t prove it, I would be willing to bet she does recognize &quot;other holidays,&quot; especially those for which she gets paid to not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Rich!  </p>
<p>Unless I missed it (which I doubt), there is no Constitutional right to never be offended.  Furthermore, &#8220;taking&#8221; offense is, by definition, a choice &#8211; &#8220;God fearing Christians&#8221; on this discussion board appear to have chosen to be offended by the use of &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221; in favor of &#8220;Merry Christmas,&#8221; rather than choosing to hear the wish for happiness during the holiday season that is being offered. I&#8217;m not seeing the claimed &#8220;Christian bashing&#8221; on here as much as a lack of tolerance and mutual respect &#8211; regrettably, often from those claiming to be followers of Christ.  I&#8217;m sure Jesus would be pleased. </p>
<p>As to the topic at hand, it has long been my understanding that when an individual accepts paid employment, part of that &#8220;employment contract&#8221; is that the employee will do what the employer asks in exchange for wages, provided that the employer&#8217;s requests are not illegal, immoral, dangerous or reprehensible.  For example, if a ditch-digger is directed by his employer to dig using the handle of the shovel instead of the proper end, so be it! So long has he is doing what the employer asked, he is earning his pay.  In this instance, Ms. Thomas flat-out refused to do what the employer asked &#8211; a breach of her agreement to do what the employer asked in exchange for pay.  The consequences of breaching that contract was the termination of the employment contract by the employer.  She failed to hold up her end of the bargain.  </p>
<p>Finally, Ms. Thomas&#8217; claim that, &#8220;as a Christian she doesn’t recognize other holidays&#8221; is disingenuous at best and a ridiculous lie at worst &#8212; while I obviously can&#8217;t prove it, I would be willing to bet she does recognize &#8220;other holidays,&#8221; especially those for which she gets paid to not work.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is a hot button issue, isn&#039;t it!

I hate that so many people think they are the only people on earth and only their beliefs are valid !!  We are a vast mix of races, religions, backgrounds, etc.  This is what makes us such a great country.  Religion is personal.  Business is business.  
I am a Christian, but know that there are many people who have beliefs different from mine.
I don&#039;t don&#039;t force my beliefs on them as I wouldn&#039;t want them to force theirs on me.   
Get a grip Ms Thomas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is a hot button issue, isn&#8217;t it!</p>
<p>I hate that so many people think they are the only people on earth and only their beliefs are valid !!  We are a vast mix of races, religions, backgrounds, etc.  This is what makes us such a great country.  Religion is personal.  Business is business.<br />
I am a Christian, but know that there are many people who have beliefs different from mine.<br />
I don&#8217;t don&#8217;t force my beliefs on them as I wouldn&#8217;t want them to force theirs on me.<br />
Get a grip Ms Thomas.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia &amp; Judy...I say AMEN!  This &quot;reverse discrimination &quot; against God fearing Christians has gone too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia &amp; Judy&#8230;I say AMEN!  This &#8220;reverse discrimination &#8221; against God fearing Christians has gone too far.</p>
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		<title>By: ED</title>
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		<dc:creator>ED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That has no bearing on the fact that you logic statement is flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That has no bearing on the fact that you logic statement is flawed.</p>
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