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		<title>By: Maria D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we have comprehensive internet and computer usage policies, we would terminate her employment if she was doing this during work hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we have comprehensive internet and computer usage policies, we would terminate her employment if she was doing this during work hours.</p>
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		<title>By: ChattyCathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChattyCathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You will all be happy to know that she finally resigned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will all be happy to know that she finally resigned.</p>
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		<title>By: Starinin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starinin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the small fact that if she was using the schools computer she was most likely doing it on their time.  

Hey Chris, thanks for the education on &quot;that web site&quot;.  I had no idea it had any connection to prostiution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the small fact that if she was using the schools computer she was most likely doing it on their time.  </p>
<p>Hey Chris, thanks for the education on &#8220;that web site&#8221;.  I had no idea it had any connection to prostiution.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jacob:

I&#039;m not trying to change anyone&#039;s political beliefs.  I&#039;m only saying that it&#039;s just as wrong to jump to the conclusion that entrapment existed as it is to jump to the conclusion that entrapment didn&#039;t exist.  There&#039;s not enough information in the article, regardless of ones belief that police officers are automatically in the wrong.  It&#039;s also pretty naive to think that the police officer in this case wasn&#039;t just as seasoned.  They&#039;re trained pretty rigorously in how to avoid allowing any perception of entrapment to allow the judge to throw out the case on those grounds.

I&#039;m glad you concede that &quot;maybe using the school computer was a bad move&quot;.  It&#039;s more than a bad move, it&#039;s a dismissible offense for every employer I&#039;ve worked for in both the private sector and government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jacob:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to change anyone&#8217;s political beliefs.  I&#8217;m only saying that it&#8217;s just as wrong to jump to the conclusion that entrapment existed as it is to jump to the conclusion that entrapment didn&#8217;t exist.  There&#8217;s not enough information in the article, regardless of ones belief that police officers are automatically in the wrong.  It&#8217;s also pretty naive to think that the police officer in this case wasn&#8217;t just as seasoned.  They&#8217;re trained pretty rigorously in how to avoid allowing any perception of entrapment to allow the judge to throw out the case on those grounds.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you concede that &#8220;maybe using the school computer was a bad move&#8221;.  It&#8217;s more than a bad move, it&#8217;s a dismissible offense for every employer I&#8217;ve worked for in both the private sector and government.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Chris:

I don&#039;t believe I am missing the point.

&quot;Ok, maybe using the school computer was a bad move&quot; 

And she should be reprimanded accordingly.

And please spare me your naiveties when talking about police officers. We live in a policed state where law enforcement have far too much power over the general populace. If she was a seasoned performer as stated in the article she knows better than to suggest sex for money. It is up to the John to approach that topic...

You want to know how to find a crooked cop? Pick up the phone and call the police station, it really doesn&#039;t matter who answers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Chris:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe I am missing the point.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ok, maybe using the school computer was a bad move&#8221; </p>
<p>And she should be reprimanded accordingly.</p>
<p>And please spare me your naiveties when talking about police officers. We live in a policed state where law enforcement have far too much power over the general populace. If she was a seasoned performer as stated in the article she knows better than to suggest sex for money. It is up to the John to approach that topic&#8230;</p>
<p>You want to know how to find a crooked cop? Pick up the phone and call the police station, it really doesn&#8217;t matter who answers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jacob:

You&#039;re missing the point.  It&#039;s not about whether prostitution should be legalized.  I believe it should, but that&#039;s neither here nor there.  The fact that she used her employer&#039;s resources to further her second career is the salient issue.  That&#039;s clearly wrong.  Employer&#039;s resources exist for employees to use to do their job as defined by the employer that provides the resources.

With regard to entrapment, we need to know far more than the article tells us.  Being under cover does not constitute entrapment.  Entrapment only exists when the officer is the party that suggests the illegal activity.  The fact that the teacher advertised her services in the section of a Web site that&#039;s well known for it&#039;s connection to prostitution goes a long way to suggest that it most likely wasn&#039;t the officer that first suggested sex for money, but the story doesn&#039;t give enough facts to be able to clearly state that entrapment existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jacob:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re missing the point.  It&#8217;s not about whether prostitution should be legalized.  I believe it should, but that&#8217;s neither here nor there.  The fact that she used her employer&#8217;s resources to further her second career is the salient issue.  That&#8217;s clearly wrong.  Employer&#8217;s resources exist for employees to use to do their job as defined by the employer that provides the resources.</p>
<p>With regard to entrapment, we need to know far more than the article tells us.  Being under cover does not constitute entrapment.  Entrapment only exists when the officer is the party that suggests the illegal activity.  The fact that the teacher advertised her services in the section of a Web site that&#8217;s well known for it&#8217;s connection to prostitution goes a long way to suggest that it most likely wasn&#8217;t the officer that first suggested sex for money, but the story doesn&#8217;t give enough facts to be able to clearly state that entrapment existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Logan Co HR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logan Co HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Bellefontaine, Oh and it&#039;s a very embarassing thing.  It&#039;s a small town where kids still run through back yards in the community.  I think there are jobs - such as teacher - that you have to be held to a higher standard.  I would also assume conviction of this in ohio will bar her employment in this capacity.  I have children who did attend that school and will again one day.  I do not want her teaching my children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Bellefontaine, Oh and it&#8217;s a very embarassing thing.  It&#8217;s a small town where kids still run through back yards in the community.  I think there are jobs &#8211; such as teacher &#8211; that you have to be held to a higher standard.  I would also assume conviction of this in ohio will bar her employment in this capacity.  I have children who did attend that school and will again one day.  I do not want her teaching my children.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary - had that happen here too. Ended up in court. She was using her work phone to take orders for her (exterrnal) parts and equipment business. We fired and she sued, claiming that others sold Avon at work to co-workers who would sometimes call those other workers&#039; extensions to place Avon orders, so she shouldn&#039;t be penalized for doing &quot;essentially&quot; the same thing. BIG policy re-write after that one. 

As for this woman, getting arrested and convicted of a crime would be a good test as to keeping her. If she didn&#039;t get convicted, she should be able to stay at the school UNLESS she violated policy by using the computers for a non-work purpose and that violates a policy. You have to be able to show that any employment action against an employee is job-related. If there&#039;s nothing in place about outside-of-work issues reflecting on the school, that will make a difference too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary &#8211; had that happen here too. Ended up in court. She was using her work phone to take orders for her (exterrnal) parts and equipment business. We fired and she sued, claiming that others sold Avon at work to co-workers who would sometimes call those other workers&#8217; extensions to place Avon orders, so she shouldn&#8217;t be penalized for doing &#8220;essentially&#8221; the same thing. BIG policy re-write after that one. </p>
<p>As for this woman, getting arrested and convicted of a crime would be a good test as to keeping her. If she didn&#8217;t get convicted, she should be able to stay at the school UNLESS she violated policy by using the computers for a non-work purpose and that violates a policy. You have to be able to show that any employment action against an employee is job-related. If there&#8217;s nothing in place about outside-of-work issues reflecting on the school, that will make a difference too.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second jobs are hard to come by in this economy. She should have done it after hours, and on her own pc if that is what she decided to do to make ends meet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second jobs are hard to come by in this economy. She should have done it after hours, and on her own pc if that is what she decided to do to make ends meet.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about taking a second job myself as I am a single mother but that&#039;s not one I&#039;d choose.  I work for an automotive retailer and common sense would tell me that I couldn&#039;t work for another dealer even as a receptionist.  Where was HER common sense.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t want my son&#039;s teachers prostituting.  What a role model!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about taking a second job myself as I am a single mother but that&#8217;s not one I&#8217;d choose.  I work for an automotive retailer and common sense would tell me that I couldn&#8217;t work for another dealer even as a receptionist.  Where was HER common sense.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t want my son&#8217;s teachers prostituting.  What a role model!</p>
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