Comments on: Employees & Facebook: OK to fire for personal posts? http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/ The worst mistakes, catastrophes, and near-misses Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:23:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Say What http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12401 Say What Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:30:08 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12401 I am kind of astounded that a professional person would come on a public forum -- as a professional -- and call people losers (and mispell the word at that). This coming from the very person who said, and I quote, "Please, relax, take a deep breath..." This person also says, "People, we all have a “JOB” to do and we should do it to the best of our ability, faily and justly." Mind you, she mispells "fairly" as well. It concerns me a bit to know that there are people out there like Ellie, HR Manager and Mary doing their jobs to the best of their ability; in a fair and just manner. If they treat their employees (or spouses, or kids, or employers, or friends, etc.) in the manner in which they spout off on this website, I feel truly sorry for them and I think my law firm will continue to get busier and busier. I am kind of astounded that a professional person would come on a public forum — as a professional — and call people losers (and mispell the word at that). This coming from the very person who said, and I quote, “Please, relax, take a deep breath…” This person also says, “People, we all have a “JOB” to do and we should do it to the best of our ability, faily and justly.” Mind you, she mispells “fairly” as well. It concerns me a bit to know that there are people out there like Ellie, HR Manager and Mary doing their jobs to the best of their ability; in a fair and just manner. If they treat their employees (or spouses, or kids, or employers, or friends, etc.) in the manner in which they spout off on this website, I feel truly sorry for them and I think my law firm will continue to get busier and busier.

]]> By: Ed http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12393 Ed Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:37:18 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12393 Ellie - Most of us (not all) support the fired individual - what the heck are you reading? Obviously HR is the wrong field for you if you want to kiss and hug every employee and plant flowers all around the world. This field requires that you protect the company while doing your best to assist, train and develop employees to be their absolute best. NOT to just paint pretty pictures and smile endlessly like one ignorant of the consequences of their actions or lack thereof. Ellie –

Most of us (not all) support the fired individual – what the heck are you reading?

Obviously HR is the wrong field for you if you want to kiss and hug every employee and plant flowers all around the world.

This field requires that you protect the company while doing your best to assist, train and develop employees to be their absolute best. NOT to just paint pretty pictures and smile endlessly like one ignorant of the consequences of their actions or lack thereof.

]]> By: Ed http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12392 Ed Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:34:40 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12392 Ellie - Most of us (not all) support the fired individual - what the heck are you reading? Ellie –

Most of us (not all) support the fired individual – what the heck are you reading?

]]> By: Jim http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12389 Jim Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:09:14 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12389 "Social Networking" is here to stay and I am quite sure many other Eagle employees (and fans) felt the same about Dawkins' departure. Employees do not always agree with the employer's decision and the employee's are entitled to their opinions. The key in social networking is, as an employer, to craft your communications plan, and prepare for the negative comments. The dissatisfaction of employee's will always be there in many cases and toignor or try to inhibit the opinions is poor manangment. Because the Eagles mishandled the situation, the organization now has a much larger PR problem on their hands. As an HR Director, I would not have fired the employee. I would have educated him to disagree, but in a more professional manner and for him to understand the consequences when playing in cyberspace Plus, I would educate mgmt. about proper communication plans when dealing with potential controversial issues. “Social Networking” is here to stay and I am quite sure many other Eagle employees (and fans) felt the same about Dawkins’ departure. Employees do not always agree with the employer’s decision and the employee’s are entitled to their opinions. The key in social networking is, as an employer, to craft your communications plan, and prepare for the negative comments. The dissatisfaction of employee’s will always be there in many cases and toignor or try to inhibit the opinions is poor manangment. Because the Eagles mishandled the situation, the organization now has a much larger PR problem on their hands.

As an HR Director, I would not have fired the employee. I would have educated him to disagree, but in a more professional manner and for him to understand the consequences when playing in cyberspace Plus, I would educate mgmt. about proper communication plans when dealing with potential controversial issues.

]]> By: Geno http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12368 Geno Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:49:08 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12368 Clearly, ELLIE, you're the "loser" since spelling isn't one of your very few strengths. As a 20 year HR professional, I feel I can speak for most of the others and say that I haven't seen a 9-5 day since Carter was President. My frustration is with two things, generally- companies and corporations who abuse their power and disregard the sound advice of HR professional "just to make a point" (such as the Eagles organization in this original incident), and two- idiots like you who presume to know anything about us, our profession or our "spirits". The only "vile, bitter hatred" I have is towards you right now. I'm convinced our industry would not employ the likes of you. Clearly, ELLIE, you’re the “loser” since spelling isn’t one of your very few strengths. As a 20 year HR professional, I feel I can speak for most of the others and say that I haven’t seen a 9-5 day since Carter was President. My frustration is with two things, generally- companies and corporations who abuse their power and disregard the sound advice of HR professional “just to make a point” (such as the Eagles organization in this original incident), and two- idiots like you who presume to know anything about us, our profession or our “spirits”. The only “vile, bitter hatred” I have is towards you right now. I’m convinced our industry would not employ the likes of you.

]]> By: Ellie http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12366 Ellie Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:25:13 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12366 I think I'm going to switch careers. From all I've read on here. Most people in HR carry around a GREAT amount of frustration just itching to lash out at the first sucker that provides the oportunity. You poor, poor broken spirits! Clocking in 9 - 5 day in day out, year after year with your vile, bitter hatred towards humanity as the only power left to strike back! I could go, on and on. People, we all have a "JOB" to do and we should do it to the best of our ability, faily and justly. Please, relax, take a deep breath and remember when any of us drop dead of a heart attack, there will be another "HR MANAGER" there to take our place. Talk about L O O S E R S ? ? ? ? ? who's that! I think I’m going to switch careers. From all I’ve read on here. Most people in HR carry around a GREAT amount of frustration just itching to lash out at the first sucker that provides the oportunity.

You poor, poor broken spirits! Clocking in 9 – 5 day in day out, year after year with your vile, bitter hatred towards humanity as the only power left to strike back! I could go, on and on.

People, we all have a “JOB” to do and we should do it to the best of our ability, faily and justly. Please, relax, take a deep breath and remember when any of us drop dead of a heart attack, there will be another “HR MANAGER” there to take our place.

Talk about L O O S E R S ? ? ? ? ? who’s that!

]]> By: LF http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12353 LF Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:15:30 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12353 I'm almost sorry I was out on Friday --- these comments have been so entertaining. Forget "personal freedom of expressing your opinion". If you want to document in writing, in a public forum, your support for anti-semitism or white supremacy, you should expect consequences. As stated earlier --- cyberspace is not private. The key here is that there is typically an extensive audit trail to things you post on the web --- if you don't want it repeated or retrieved, don't type it. (And that includes comments in this post...) There are many documented cases where employees have been disciplined and even fired because of personal comments and/or photos posted on the web. I'm sure there will be many court cases in 2009 that will set some precedence in determining what is and isn't "protected speech". It will be interesting! I’m almost sorry I was out on Friday — these comments have been so entertaining.

Forget “personal freedom of expressing your opinion”. If you want to document in writing, in a public forum, your support for anti-semitism or white supremacy, you should expect consequences. As stated earlier — cyberspace is not private. The key here is that there is typically an extensive audit trail to things you post on the web — if you don’t want it repeated or retrieved, don’t type it. (And that includes comments in this post…)

There are many documented cases where employees have been disciplined and even fired because of personal comments and/or photos posted on the web. I’m sure there will be many court cases in 2009 that will set some precedence in determining what is and isn’t “protected speech”. It will be interesting!

]]> By: My opinion http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12351 My opinion Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:33:31 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12351 Social networking sites should not be used by employers/HR to check on employees or potential employees. These sites are very social in nature and are a means for people to connect with one another on many different levels. Alot of people use them to convey opinions on topics the believe strongly in. What if there opinions differ from a potential employer. What if they use their site to tell the online world about their religion or even their disbelief in organized religion. What happens when an employer decides not to hire a talented hard working candidate because they are a different religion or some other personal reason that they found through someones myspace or facebook. I say let people have some personal freedom as long as it does not violate the law. People should be able to express their opinions even if their employer doesn't like it. So unless their are publishing company secrets. Let them have their say. Just MY opinion Social networking sites should not be used by employers/HR to check on employees or potential employees. These sites are very social in nature and are a means for people to connect with one another on many different levels. Alot of people use them to convey opinions on topics the believe strongly in. What if there opinions differ from a potential employer. What if they use their site to tell the online world about their religion or even their disbelief in organized religion. What happens when an employer decides not to hire a talented hard working candidate because they are a different religion or some other personal reason that they found through someones myspace or facebook.
I say let people have some personal freedom as long as it does not violate the law. People should be able to express their opinions even if their employer doesn’t like it. So unless their are publishing company secrets. Let them have their say.
Just MY opinion

]]> By: Mike http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12350 Mike Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:16:14 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12350 It is now official, this is a contraversial topic. Fox news picked up the story. It is now official, this is a contraversial topic. Fox news picked up the story.

]]> By: JVN http://www.hrblunders.com/post-criticized-employer-worker-didnt-get-second-chance/comment-page-3/#comment-12349 JVN Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:11:10 +0000 http://www.hrblunders.com/?p=1545#comment-12349 LF Best response so far. Once you put something on the net you really shouldn't expect it to be private. That's why none of my facebook friends are co-workers. Even so, I don't post about work. My venting is done verbally, not in writing on the world wide web. Still, I wouldn't have termed.... LF

Best response so far. Once you put something on the net you really shouldn’t expect it to be private. That’s why none of my facebook friends are co-workers. Even so, I don’t post about work. My venting is done verbally, not in writing on the world wide web.

Still, I wouldn’t have termed….

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